Comments on: Will Students still come to America after PISA 2012? http://asianliving.me/will-students-still-come-to-america-after-pisa-2012 Asian Living Lifestyle Blog by Ben Sat, 25 Apr 2015 17:36:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.9.5 By: benpiscopo http://asianliving.me/will-students-still-come-to-america-after-pisa-2012/comment-page-1#comment-341 Mon, 20 Oct 2014 13:18:00 +0000 http://asianliving.me/?p=2831#comment-341 Good point Deesl,
Cheating is extremely pervasive across China. The challenge, especially for international ranking systems, is to find some common ground. Having said that, the international community can’t just paint the whole country with one brush; otherwise we’ll be reduced to name calling and a breakdown in cross-cultural ties.

Ways to work around this? The increase in standards-based, non-local tests (like IELTS and iTeps) would provide a stronger measurement, for language rating at least. As long as those proctoring and processing exams do not feel obligated to help people cheat (or are incentivized to help cheaters), then a reliable testing outcome is possible. (In my opinion of course)

Thanks for commenting. :)

]]> By: deesl http://asianliving.me/will-students-still-come-to-america-after-pisa-2012/comment-page-1#comment-340 Mon, 20 Oct 2014 01:19:00 +0000 http://asianliving.me/?p=2831#comment-340 Um, You missed ONE GIANT POINT. The test scores that are reported on these tests and others are skewed in China. I listened to the US consulate general describe the exact same thing during one of his speeches about education. He was so far out of touch with what actually goes on. Grades, test scores, rankings, all of that stuff, (no matter how independent the source) are BOUGHT and PAID FOR in China. I briefly had the opportunity as a veteran teacher in China to speak with him briefly afterward. I told him a story about being in the teacher’s office and witnessing the school administrator allow the students to blatantly cheat on one of their tests in order to boost their application status to US universities. Chinese students and their parents go as far as hiring foreigners to write their samples submitted to the admissions departments of US universities. The point is, you can’t trust any statistic that comes out of China, because somewhere along the way, the results of those statistics have been paid for. You can google the above mentioned by typing, “cheating in and out of the classroom.” Or try, “dangerously easy esl blog” ]]>